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Mordakai · Jun 15, 2009, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

When was the last time you played WoW, Mordakai? It sounds like most of what you did was pre-TBC. Patch 2.3 reduced the time to level to 60 by over 25%, and in the upcoming patch, you get mounts at lv. 20.

Mounts at level 20? Huh.

I bought the WoW/BC bundle for like $35.

I started / stopped playing between December 2007 - February 2008. My goal was to actually get someone to level 55 before WotWK came out. I actually thought WotWK sounded cool (although I still hate the name).

I just found out my sister-in-law plays, so who knows, maybe I'll get sucked back in.... but I know once GW2 comes out, that will be it.

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

And Diablo III is a valid competitor to GW2. They're, in essence, both glorified dungeon crawlers.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Actually, I was thinking GW is more like Balder's Gate, since you have a whole party (with Heroes) rather than just yourself. GW2 will probably be more like Diablo, but with more races, professions, instances and persistent areas, casual and hardcore PvP...

OK, so maybe not like Diablo at all. And how is WoW not a "glorified dungeon crawl"? Isn't that exactly what a Raid is? (serious question, I've never done a raid, but it sounds like you go through progessively harder and harder areas, until you get to a ultra-tough boss. And if you wipe, you have to start all over again, right?)

Gigashadow · Jun 15, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

GW2 is going to be a real MMO this time (with all the pluses and minuses that entails), so it won't be competing with D3 in that way, any more than WoW will. D3 isn't going to give people their "mmo fix", so they will still play it plus whatever MMO they are playing. Some people aren't happy about GW2 picking up all the MMO features though.

GW2's main competitor in its probable release timeframe will be a new WoW expansion pack, which will likely be released at the end of 2010 if its past two expansions are anything to go by.

4thVariety · Jun 16, 2009, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

GW2 is going to be a real MMO this time (with all the pluses and minuses that entails), so it won't be competing with D3 in that way, any more than WoW will. D3 isn't going to give people their "mmo fix", so they will still play it plus whatever MMO they are playing. Some people aren't happy about GW2 picking up all the MMO features though.

Now what would be the difference between an MMO and a "real MMO"? Is one allowed to have certain features and the other is not?

As for the main competition in 2010, it'll be Star Wars MMO and its story focus. It's the first time another MMO is openly challenging the GW story mode. But even then, people can buy both, there is no law saying you can only have fun in either game. Dragon Age is another time intensive game that will be around, although it might be early enough to pass the time until GW2 more than hurt its sales.

D3 looks still very much like a "Loot-Grinder", which is ok, but it remains to be seen if a substantial amount of people can be captured longer than playing through the campaign twice.

The real question is whether some MMOs can maintain their firm grip on people and continue to make them belief it was ok to only play the one game you subscribed to. Recent releases have shown that beyond three months, most MMOs are struggling to keep their players attached. Which is ok, make people pay $80-$90 in total for their three month experience; instead of $45 like regular PC RPGs which last about the same. Everybody seems to consider WoW to be normal, while it is more of an anomaly. Blinded by greed is what happens next. Only those studios that planned on surviving on "low" subscription numbers survived. Those who placed their bets on two million concurrent subscribers failed miserably. You have to be ready to survive on 50-100k after six months. People play new games, they don't play one game for their entire life.

Ghost Omel · Jun 16, 2009, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

GW2 is going to be a real MMO this time (with all the pluses and minuses that entails), so it won't be competing with D3 in that way, any more than WoW will. D3 isn't going to give people their "mmo fix", so they will still play it plus whatever MMO they are playing. Some people aren't happy about GW2 picking up all the MMO features though.

GW2's main competitor in its probable release timeframe will be a new WoW expansion pack, which will likely be released at the end of 2010 if its past two expansions are anything to go by.

Thank you.. i Actually was about to write exactly thew same thing but my shift ended and when i got hope i started 3D modeling and didnt have time to reply..

But yes The reason i said before 'Will D3 be competition to WoW" and the answer i got was no.....which i kinda got surprised as because GW will be WoW like (For better or worse we will see).....But Precisely that is why i alwasy said that D2 is nothing like GW and Vise Versa... i see where people might think that it is instances and Hubs for making a group.. but GW has completely different experience and mechaniks.. so i woulodnt cosider it related to Diablo series at all.

Its like saying.. Hey Both apples and pears have seeds and they are green right..they must be the same.. Or even better... Sharks and Dogs have a heard a stomach and an eye ball...they must be the same right. -_- well you catch the idea i hope

Lourens · Jun 16, 2009, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Anyone else feel the same way?

Yeah I think I'm gonna buy it to afterall guildwars's graphics are a lot better then wow's but it is just lacking content after 3 years so I'm playing wow till gw2

shinyglove · Jun 16, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

i'm looking towards for gw2 about 2years now, starting to get bored i want some information about it :S

Ghost Omel · Jun 16, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by shinyglove

i'm looking towards for gw2 about 2years now, starting to get bored i want some information about it :S

Games are not like mice...they arent born in matter of couple of years.....You can always enjoy some old titles.. or get your hands on somehtign new...MMOs are not only game sout there =)..dont see why you be bored...id understand if only game out there was GW...but otherwise no not at all...

hunter · Jun 17, 2009, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

GW2 is going to be a real MMO this time (with all the pluses and minuses that entails), so it won't be competing with D3 in that way, any more than WoW will. D3 isn't going to give people their "mmo fix", so they will still play it plus whatever MMO they are playing. Some people aren't happy about GW2 picking up all the MMO features though.

GW2's main competitor in its probable release timeframe will be a new WoW expansion pack, which will likely be released at the end of 2010 if its past two expansions are anything to go by.

If they design GW2 to be a fully fledged MMO (which they wont and you are miss informed btw) they already lost the battle to wow before this said battle even started.

The rule of thumb right now on the MMO market is that you can't beat wow at its own game, that being, an MMO. If you want a game that can beat wow you either have to release a MMO which is very very very innovative and non fail at the same time...or release a new genre completely.

The reason GW survived for so long is that it was different from wow. How do you think GW would have fared if it was just a World of Tyria game instead? It wouldn't have even seen 1M sales total.

Bryant Again · Jun 17, 2009, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Even though ANet may've screwed over the minor portion of their playerbase, they still know what they're doing.

It's less that they're "going WoW" and sounds more like they're "going Blizzard" - meaning yes, it will be an MMO, but added with their own seasoning, adding in features that are widely favored and enjoyed (some of which we've seen in GW1).

They already have a one-up in regards to PvP: Instant maxed level PvP chars with (what is yet to be decided, correct?) UAX at the start. Gear and progression isn't going to matter with GW2's PvP, only skill and knowledge, as it *should* be.

Then we come into the other features: The companion system, what sounds like party-scaling (they stated you could do everything solo but will accommodate if you want to bring friends), the leveling system, the combat and skill system...tons of thus far interesting concepts.

So yes, it's going to be an MMO. But only at the base. Strain himself noted in his article how trying to buttheads with WoW will just leave you with a concussion, hence why GW2 is an MMO on the surface but branches off from there.

Honestly, can't say I'm not excited as hell.

Age · Jun 18, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

WoW must be carebear heaven they get what they want and when they want it.

Bryant Again · Jun 18, 2009, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Yeah that's, pretty much true sadly : (

Cacheelma · Jun 18, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

And that's bad, how?

Please explain how requesting something reasonably and never EVER getting them is good? How does Blizzard's listening to their PAYING customers (carebear, as you put it) is a bad thing?

fenix · Jun 18, 2009, 02:49 AM // 02:49

This is hilarious to me. Blizzard listen to their customers, and their subscribers get branded as carebears.

ANet don't, and somehow they're the better company?

Take a look at Blizzard. Take a look at ANet. I'm pretty sure Blizzard aren't catering to carebears.

Bryant Again · Jun 18, 2009, 02:54 AM // 02:54

My point, as already explained through this thread, is that WoW is now dead-shit easy all across the board.

I was hoping that things wouldn't needlessly changed with normal/heroic modes and 10/25 man variants. But nope!

Zinger314 · Jun 18, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

My point, as already explained through this thread, is that WoW is now dead-shit easy all across the board.

I was hoping that things wouldn't needlessly changed with normal/heroic modes and 10/25 man variants. But nope!

But with the new 3.2 raid, you get normal 10-man, normal 25-man, heroic 10-man, heroic 25 man! Best of all worlds!

Bryant Again · Jun 18, 2009, 03:20 AM // 03:20

Except heroic versions are as difficult as GW HM.

i.e. not at all.

Yeah you can sense the pessimism, oy? Here's hoping happy things come my way.

R.Shayne · Jun 18, 2009, 03:49 AM // 03:49

If GW2 releases when I think it will, Spring 2011, then they are going to be releasing against some stiff competition.

Diablo 3, Final Fantasy XIV, and Knight of the old Republic.

If they release Q1 or Q2 2010 then they may beat the other games to the shelf, but hard to predict what publishers are doing.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 18, 2009, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

If GW2 releases when I think it will, Spring 2011, then they are going to be releasing against some stiff competition.

Diablo 3, Final Fantasy XIV, and Knight of the old Republic.

If they release Q1 or Q2 2010 then they may beat the other games to the shelf, but hard to predict what publishers are doing.

Pfft, Diablo 3> Guildwars 2.

If they release within the same time frame, then GW2 is gonna have bad sales. But I think D3 is coming out in 2010 so if GW2 waits til 2011 then it should take a slightly less staggering blow from the D3 addiction that will ensue.

-And with all the current players that complain daily about how much they hate what they've read about GW2 and how they won't buy it... Well, lets just wait and see.

Bryant Again · Jun 18, 2009, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Pfft, Diablo 3> Guildwars 2.

If they release within the same time frame, then GW2 is gonna have bad sales.

Honestly, I don't think there's any game that *won't* have bad sales when a Blizzard game hits the shelves.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 18, 2009, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Honestly, I don't think there's any game that *won't* have bad sales when a Blizzard game hits the shelves.

I completely agree! Blizzard is fast becoming a 12 headed hydra that you just can't slay! For every head you remove, two grow back! In place of heads, we have games. Dungeon hack, Rts and MMO. Not to forget lost vikings or "Ghost" which puts them into other genres aswell! They also have minatures and a table top game.

Soon to follow will be the Warcraft Versus diablo fighting game, The (if its ever finished and released) SC Ghost 3rd person shooter with a possible FPS view, The Diablo MMO, the Warcraft Dungeon Hack... The list of possibles could go on and on and I would buy most, if not ALL of them!

Cough* Cough* Diablo rts ftw! cough*